What’s all this stuff about “real” astrological signs?
Something about global procession, and the original signs being too old (according to the tropical zodiac). Does this prove astrology is ridiculous, or would the “real” dates be accurate?
Answer by Silver
The signs are all still the same signs, but what you might be talking about is that because of processions, one that is born a Gemini now, is actually an Aries.
I have studied astrology for many many years and what I see in the signs and the people I do charts for is that everything is fine just the way it is. The ephemeris’ that are distributed today show where the planets are- what sign they are in…the sign is that section of the sky and so is that constellation that is that sign.
There is the procession, that is true…but that is where the earth is in all this, not the other planets.
Currently we are in the Age of Pisces, each age lasts about 2,500 years (it can be as little as 1,800 years for some ages).
With the Procession, the signs of that age go backwards.
When we move out of Pisces, we will not go forward through the zodiac and be in the age of Aires- we where just there…nope, we will be in the age of Aquarius (sound familiar?)
Most astrological sources use sidereal or universal time and not the tropical.
If we where back 2,000 years and using that astrology today, then there would be differences.
Answer by Fallen Angel Aspect
4000 years ago when the Babylonians started astrology Aries was at 0 degrees on spring equinox. Today it’s somewhere around 29 degrees Pisces. We have gone through the ages of Aries and Pisces and are entering the age of Aquarius. However this doesn’t prove or disprove the validity of astrology in any way. We astrologers are well aware of procession and we are aware of the effects as well.
Personally in my practice of astrology the signs of the planets are irrelevant and confusing. The house systems aren’t much better. To me it’s all about using the correct planetary symbolism. When it is right it is always right and can be proven and it repeatable.
For example Mercury rules the voice and the mind. Jupiter is a benefic and the greater one at that. So it would make sense that if these are correct then someone with a nice voice might have this aspect. I did the chart of a lady friend of mine who has a wonderful voice. Before I did the chart I told her that I was expecting to find something extraordinary with her Mercury because she had a great voice. What I found was that she had a Jupiter conjunction and parallel Mercury. This is what we call a planetary eclipse. Unfortunately she didn’t have any fame aspects. She sang just as well as Whitney Houston or Meriah Carey, Celine Dion. These charts are public because they are so famous so I couldn’t lie about this without getting caught.
There is one school of astrology that uses sidereal zodiac instead of tropical, Vedic. Some people find that Vedic is very accurate but they are only 24 degrees behind tropical. This means they they are a newer astrology. Since the time of the Babylonians the wheel of the zodiac has changed 59 degrees.
Mayan astrology has 20 signs. One of them only lasts for 4 or 5 days depending on the leap year.
For most people astrology is provable. All they need are the right symbolism of the planets, then it becomes very apparent.
I urge you to continue with your skepticism. I love skeptics. I love to prove them wrong as well. But there is nothing quite as keen as a mind that says prove it over and over again. When I learn a new principle or astrological law I have to test it over and over. If it’s wrong even once I discard it and don’t use it any more. To me this is the only way that astrology can reach the level of a true science.
By the way, I practice Magi Astrology. And it seems that I’m the only one here in Y! Answers that does. So I get it from both sides. The skeptics, but they are easy because they attack every astrologer. And traditional astrologers that don’t agree with Magi Astrology. I challenge them all and you to test it.
Answer by Markab
The precession of the equinoxes has nothing to do with the signs. It pertains to the constellations. The Earth wobbles on its axis and this causes an apparent shift in orientation to the constellations, not the signs. If on the first day of spring, you could somehow stand on the equator and look at the Sun in relation to the fixed stars behind it, you would see the Sun at about 1 degree of the constellation Pisces. At some point in the future, if you did the same thing, you would see the 29th degree of the constellation Aquarius in back of the Sun. This is the reason for the so-called “dawning of the age of Aquarius.”
The sign of Aries (not the constellation) is measured at the point where the Sun apparently crosses the celestial equator in the East. About 4000 years ago, if you performed the above exercise on the equator, you would have seen the 29th degree of Aries behind the Sun. Then gradually every year the position of the Sun at the vernal equinox would move backwards relative to the constellation. It would go from 29 to 28 to 27 to 5 to 1 then to the 29th degree of the constellation Pisces and so on.
The problem is that there is no universally accepted boundary between the constellations, which are all of different sizes. Aries is small, Pisces is huge. In tropical astrology, none of this matters because 0 degrees of the sign Aries is always in the same place, where the ecliptic crosses the equator in the East, and all the signs are exactly 30 degrees in size. In sidereal astrology, they’ve assigned boundaries to the constellations and use them instead of the signs so it is possible to be an Aries in Tropical astrology and a Pisces in sidereal. The Sun, however is in the same place in the sky. The position is defined differently.
None of this has anything to do with the validity of astrology. Those claims are made by people who think the signs and the constellations are one and the same. As noted above, they are not, and these people obviously know nothing of the subject they condemn..
What astrological signs do you think are the most dependent?
I think Pisces and Scorpios are because almost every Scorpio and Pisces I know need to be surrounded by people constantly in order to be happy. What is your opinion?
Answer by Vince M
All signs indicate a high degree of gullibility.
Answer by Brook
Aries…because they are always charging head first into new situations but they often forget they need money…a ride or a place to stay.
Answer by SaggiMC
Dependable is a trait that ANY sign can have. Fixed signs don’t usually change course once started though. I do think you have unrealistic expectations of what astrology can and cannot do..
Perhaps you should read this thread entitled: astrology predicts meanings, not events
In the beginning of Liz Greene’s (famous prolific author on astrology), “Astrology for Lover’s” book there is a good chapter on What astrology can and can’t do.
“Astrology is baffling because it works. What it’s not is a way of foretelling the future, or of determining whether that tall dark stranger will turn up next week. To put it briefly the horoscope is a map of the psyche of the individual. it’s a kind of blueprint, a seed plan, a model of the energies and drives which make up a person. Because it’s calculated precisely for time and place, it’s unique, unlike the sun sign column. Even identical twins are born at least four minutes apart, and in four minutes the picture has shifted.”
“Astrology can be used to help you in many ways. It can reveal damaging behavioral patterns or forewarn you of upcoming challenges. It can help you pinpoint latent talents you may possess and provide you with specific hints on how to best develop them. Astrology can also point out expansive, rewarding trends that are coming up and assist you in figuring out how to take advantage of them before they fade. Finally, astrology is an excellent means to determine the perfect timing for certain actions.
The beauty of astrology is that it will help you to always be in complete control of your life. Astrology is not fortune telling: but it is a recognition that we have free will. We know we are not controlled by the planets, but the planets do create a certain atmospheres of constriction or ease, that keeps us on our toes. Alas, you cannot blame the planets and say, for example, Saturn made me do it! The few times I have said this to an audience, most people laugh it does sound funny.
The planets work to help us help ourselves. By applying pressure, planets help us to overcome inertia. At other times, they help us to see unproductive or even self-destructive behavior that we may have never noticed before but that we can fix. Astrologers believe we must be accountable for our actions and to recognize that we do have choices. The study of astrology will help you sort out all your options and to act at the proper time.”
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Do you seriously use astrological signs to determine who is a good match for you?
Just say you meet an attractive person and you both hit it off well but soon after you realize he or she is very incompatible with your star sign do you seriously consider stopping any potential romance because of this?
Answer by Millie Ervin
No, it will fizzle by itself, lol. Yes, the Chinese calendar is really good, too. For instance, I would not go w/a Scorpio. They seem like a strange bedfellow!
Answer by Clozet
no. i think its intersting to know who’s supposed to be compatible with you but i wouldnt break off a relationship beacuse of it
but if you knew they werent compatible and you broke up you have something to blame 🙂
Answer by Morbidius
But a few of the women I met the same day, who asked for my sun sign, lost interest when I told them that I’m a Scorpio… lmao.